Indeed — we were not using any force to move the tables (usually a card table), but indeed the table would go up and down at the unoccupied end. It always took some time for it to begin, usually with a weak start. Also, there would often be a twisting motion of the table; you could hear the table creaking. Three of us at the table with one end open (the north end if I recall correctly) we would start with our hands lightly on the edge of the table. More than once, as the table began to rise and fall at the opened end, we would try two people at the sides with only a mere finger lightly touching the table and the person at the end (opposite the opend side) with their hands lightly/barely touching. Still the table would go up and down on the unoccupied end. Taking one side of touch away would stop the table’s response. We even showed my father this configuration once (two fingers and one set of hands). With friends, we would feel cold spots in the room as the table tipping progressed. Once, when my mathematical engineer father laughed and insisted we were twisting the table and applying force, we stopped table tipping then tried to use force to purposely tilt the table using wordly laws of physics. The table did not tip. I am a biomedical researcher, a molecular biologist, well verse in the worldly laws of physics and biology. But I also have weathered inumerable spiritual experiences in life from table tipping, to speaking in tongues, dreaming the future, etc. Ouija board planchettes (or any substituting object) in my hands with another nearly always wants to go in circles, down a table’s legs, across the floor, and if there is a piano near, onto the piano. Go figure. There is indeed something to table tipping. There is indeed more to existence that the limited bits we can take in by mere human perception. What does an ant crawling in the dirt know of cars and airplanes, world wars, the latest hot rock band? What do we know of things far beyond our wordly human perceptions. Some may be genetically wired to have the “gift” of being able to experience what is referred to as the supernatural, the spiritual in a very direct way. Some like me regard it as a simultaneous gift and a curse. I do know that through my middle years, when table tipping, there is truly something beyond the wordly laws of physics at play.

I wouldn’t say that it’s not relevant. However, the problem with ID advocates employing math against evolution is that they they’re trying to quantify a straw man, so of course they’re going to occasionally come up with something that appears too improbable to have happened. The real solution is to simply demonstrate that that which they’ve calculated is not an accurate representation of evolution.

When you quantify evolution within the model of a more accurate system, suddenly the math starts swinging in your favor.

On an amusing note, Shanedk (who linked to you from his YouTube channel, by the way) points out that Berlinski’s “computation”, as improbable as they seem from a layman perspective, is actually not a problem for evolution at all. So what this tells us that David Berlinski doesn’t even know what his own calculations mean. He just threw out a big number for the sake of incredulity.

Speaking of incredulous nonsense, let’s look at what some other moron wrote…

“So some how you got the correct DNA from non life to become a living organism? AND you had all the correct information to be able to replicate yourself so you could live long enough to make it onto land to breath air- only to turn around and adapt back to living in the ocean.”

Replication is not a trait. It’s an inherent property of all life. You don’t acquire this “information” via evolution. It comes bundled with the package. Even simple amino acids can replicate, so your snotty nay-saying falls flat.

“Oops, I forgot that mutations are random and don’t care if they wipe out useful information as well as the things you would like to change.”

That’s right. But it’s a good thing there’s this process called natural selection, whereby those few mutations that *do* increase survivability are actually beneficial.

You also forgot that there are examples of mutations wiping out entire blocks of useful information, only to replace it with something better, such as nylonase.

Tell me, is ignorance really as blissful as they say?

I will end it here, no need to thanks me to keep this going ;